"What is needed is diplomacy and respect for international law."
As I like to say: "That Ain't Gonna Happen."
I also assess all the political drama in Israel between Netanyahu and Gantz as utterly irrelevant. Neither are any comments by former IDF officers or former Israel politicians relevant.
This war is being run from Washington, not Tel Aviv. Netanyahu is utterly dependent on Washington to stay in office which is why he went to Washington to get two million standing ovations in Congress. Netanyahu is tied to the neocons in Washington and they are tied to him. It's not a binary "either-or", it's a "this plus that." Which of the parties is initiating any particular event is irrelevant.
Read my lips: The US neocons and Netanyahu and the Zionist crazies are running the show. They're in a trap - they can't stop now or everything collapses: Israel collapses, the US in the Middle East collapses, the whole nine yards. They have no choice but to continue until they either win it all or lose it all.
Of course, they will lose it all - this is what the neocons do. But that never, ever stops them from trying.
But as long as that is true, nothing anyone says who is not part of the US neocon or Israeli crazy component matters. The only thing that matters that will stop this is the Axis of Resistance completely destroying Israel and driving the US from the Middle East permanently.
This will be a long war (unless it goes nuclear). It's likely to last several years, if not as long as Afghanistan. Get used to it. One or more million people will die, just like Iraq (if it goes nuclear, raise that to tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions.)
There will be no peace or negotiations until someone loses big time, i.e., someone can no longer put up a fight.
People tend to look at how badly Israel is doing in Gaza and Lebanon and assume it will be all over soon and there will be negotiations. No. Uh-uh. Wrong.
The US is poised to enter the war as soon as they can blame Iran for doing any significant damage to Israel. The US electorate will back a war with Iran - because all the Democrats want Harris to win and all the Republicans want Trump to win - both of which support war with Iran and both are backed by people who want war with Iran. Everyone else in the US with influence - the MIC, the oil companies, the banks - they all want war with Iran because they will profit from it, even as it tanks the global economy.
Everyone who doesn't want war with Iran are losers with zero influence. That includes everyone here including me.
I've been predicting this war for seventeen years. All I care about is that I was right. Finally.
richard... good comment..thanks... i liked your 2nd to last line - that was funny!! but seriously, in some ways i do agree with you, but being the insane optimist i am, i leave room for the possibility of something positive being possible... i know the appearances are stacked against me, but i insist!!
here is the line i thought was funny - "Everyone who doesn't want war with Iran are losers with zero influence. That includes everyone here including me."
i like your confidence in yourself... it says a few things about you to me..
Unfortunately I don’t believe a civil war is possible. Civil unrest, yes, obviously. But “civil war” means large scale combat with large military assets on both sides. Neither side has the capability of standing against the US military, unless the US military fragments and I don’t see that happening regardless of the personal beliefs of military personnel.
As long as the President has the nuclear football, no one is going to go against him (or her).
I read a science fiction story decades ago where there was a black uprising in the US. There was a black President IIRC and HE authorized a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere in order to calm things down. Once you see a nuke go off above you, it ‘concentrates the mind” as they say.
the cry for a resolution is very loud and clear and has been for some time, but it appears israel is not interested in a 2 state solution and never was.. same deal the usa which vetoes any UN resolution aimed for the same purpose...
quote " the United States will take every measure necessary to defend our people." it's interesting.. i guess this is supposed to include all of israel, lol...
i appreciate the sober commentators within israel who realize this can't go on and are looking for a way to end it... i hope these voices become louder and eventually dominate israels position in the coming months and years... i am very unsure if it is possible, but it is the only hope for israel at this point... make peace with those you've displaced or murdered... if you don't now, it will never happen and israel will cease to exist, except as a memory of a failed experiment thanks the uk and usa historically and all those who curried favour in the halls of power the past 100 years.. zionism is a fanatical ideology that has only brought pain and suffering to those who still practice judaism..
i think something bigger actually has to happen.. replacing one fanatical israel gov't with another one won't work... at this point the fundamentalists in israel are gaining more and more power - not less... so the direction looks all wrong to me here.. again - netanyahu goes but someone will replace him who is just as bad or worse..
I've read that while the military has influence in Israel, there has never been and can't be a military coup. For some reason, that's not how Israeli society works. I don't know why, it's just what I've read.
I would also point out that the neocons in Washington probably won't allow it. If they tell any military coup perpetrators that they're not going to get a dime more military support from the US, the coup plotters will back down fast. There is no Israeli military without Washington.
There is a deep hatred of Iran stemming at in large part from the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Propagandists are focusing on creating the false narrative of protecting Israel democracy from the mad terrorists mullahs and playing the false role of diplomacy all awhile forcing Irans hand to war. These western secretive entities have every intention in destroying Iran once and for all. Nothing short of a direct US-IRAN conflict will stop this ongoing madness. IMO. No doubt in my mind Iran understands this well.
an interesting observation that jeffrey sachs makes in this video from cambridge union which i recommend, highlights how it was in fact netanyahu who was pushing for the war on iraq back in 2002! so, i hear you and we have been down this road before... and yes, i am quite sure iran, along with a number of other countries understand this very well too...
Actually, I recall that it was Israel who was pushing for war with IRAN back in 2002. They only came on board with a war with Iraq when the neocons told them that Iran would be NEXT. This is from Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett, who were working in the Bush administration at the time. So Sachs had it wrong (again.)
it is possible sachs is lying, his memory is faulty or he misunderstood... but that is what he says in this video 2024... it could also be netanyahu was in on pushing for war against both countries too...
It is quite obvious that it is the "system", the Zionist dystopia that is rotten, nonsense and a nightmare introduced into this region by the Empire. The solution obviously does not lie in changing its leaders, who have succeeded one another at the head of this rump state, and, indeed, nothing says that B. Netanyahu's successor will not be even worse than him. No, the only thing that could save Israel from itself would be to renounce its project of a greater Israel and accept the creation of a Palestinian state alongside it. Otherwise? Israel is doomed to its disintegration and self-destruction, in the more or less long term...
fully concur... but it doesn't appear an option for many in israel including the leadership at present.. not sure how we get to where we need to get to here..
well they have already been making a lot of mistakes.. maybe they are coming to the realization they can't continue in this direction.. would be nice..
So it is now clear even to the Israelis that Netenyahu never had any intention on deescalating not accepting any release of the hostages . He again is showing that he would rather they die and the children conscripted into the IDF (and possibly US and UK service personnel who thanks to our despicable governments may be deployed to support this monster), thrown into the meat grinder of this war. Not war of Israeli self defence but a massacre and genocide of “keeping Bibi out of prison”. How many thousands have been brutally slaughtered and tortured to keep this one man from facing justice. We have been saying all along, there have been multiple opportunities to secure the release of the Israeli prisoners of war but he doesn’t want that, the IDF want them dead so they can use their deaths to justify more war crimes. That’s why an estimated 40% of them have been killed by Israel strikes on areas they have had intelligence that those prisoners of war may be.
I hope the release of “hostages “ will include the thousands of Palestinian civilians including children who are being raped and tortured in illegal confinement by Israel. But I doubt it. I wish i believed a ceasefire would not be a pause before finding another excuse for more genocide to secure the oil rich land. I wish it meant the end of apartheid and return of stolen land and aid and food finally being allowed through. I wish it meant Isreal finally facing sanctions, it’s leaders in prison for war crimes and permanent peace keepers on the borders preventing any further illegal expansion.
It won’t though.
Sad that on the eve of an election that could put a dangerous and deranged dictator in power in the USA, Biden chooses to deploy more support for colonialism, settler theft, genocide and apartheid…making a it impossible for anyone with a conscience to support their open warmongering and blatant disregard for peace, stability and international law.
They clearly think they can so what their want as they have already won. Sadly giving them a landslide will mean nothing will stop them playing the protector for the terrorist state of Israel. Our children will be next in the meat grinder to save this criminal.
"What is needed is diplomacy and respect for international law."
As I like to say: "That Ain't Gonna Happen."
I also assess all the political drama in Israel between Netanyahu and Gantz as utterly irrelevant. Neither are any comments by former IDF officers or former Israel politicians relevant.
This war is being run from Washington, not Tel Aviv. Netanyahu is utterly dependent on Washington to stay in office which is why he went to Washington to get two million standing ovations in Congress. Netanyahu is tied to the neocons in Washington and they are tied to him. It's not a binary "either-or", it's a "this plus that." Which of the parties is initiating any particular event is irrelevant.
Read my lips: The US neocons and Netanyahu and the Zionist crazies are running the show. They're in a trap - they can't stop now or everything collapses: Israel collapses, the US in the Middle East collapses, the whole nine yards. They have no choice but to continue until they either win it all or lose it all.
Of course, they will lose it all - this is what the neocons do. But that never, ever stops them from trying.
But as long as that is true, nothing anyone says who is not part of the US neocon or Israeli crazy component matters. The only thing that matters that will stop this is the Axis of Resistance completely destroying Israel and driving the US from the Middle East permanently.
This will be a long war (unless it goes nuclear). It's likely to last several years, if not as long as Afghanistan. Get used to it. One or more million people will die, just like Iraq (if it goes nuclear, raise that to tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions.)
There will be no peace or negotiations until someone loses big time, i.e., someone can no longer put up a fight.
People tend to look at how badly Israel is doing in Gaza and Lebanon and assume it will be all over soon and there will be negotiations. No. Uh-uh. Wrong.
The US is poised to enter the war as soon as they can blame Iran for doing any significant damage to Israel. The US electorate will back a war with Iran - because all the Democrats want Harris to win and all the Republicans want Trump to win - both of which support war with Iran and both are backed by people who want war with Iran. Everyone else in the US with influence - the MIC, the oil companies, the banks - they all want war with Iran because they will profit from it, even as it tanks the global economy.
Everyone who doesn't want war with Iran are losers with zero influence. That includes everyone here including me.
I've been predicting this war for seventeen years. All I care about is that I was right. Finally.
richard... good comment..thanks... i liked your 2nd to last line - that was funny!! but seriously, in some ways i do agree with you, but being the insane optimist i am, i leave room for the possibility of something positive being possible... i know the appearances are stacked against me, but i insist!!
Good luck with that. Also, the line wasn't meant to be funny. It's a fact.
here is the line i thought was funny - "Everyone who doesn't want war with Iran are losers with zero influence. That includes everyone here including me."
i like your confidence in yourself... it says a few things about you to me..
I know that was the line. Again, it wasn't meant to be funny - well, maybe the "me" part - but even that is true. I have zero influence.
i actually think in our thoughts we have a lot more influence then some folks think.. that is where we differ... cheers..
I am afraid I have to agree with you.
The only thing that could prevent a bloody war in the Middle East (if not World War 3) is a civil war in the US after these elections.
Unfortunately I don’t believe a civil war is possible. Civil unrest, yes, obviously. But “civil war” means large scale combat with large military assets on both sides. Neither side has the capability of standing against the US military, unless the US military fragments and I don’t see that happening regardless of the personal beliefs of military personnel.
As long as the President has the nuclear football, no one is going to go against him (or her).
I read a science fiction story decades ago where there was a black uprising in the US. There was a black President IIRC and HE authorized a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere in order to calm things down. Once you see a nuke go off above you, it ‘concentrates the mind” as they say.
thanks ismaele....
the cry for a resolution is very loud and clear and has been for some time, but it appears israel is not interested in a 2 state solution and never was.. same deal the usa which vetoes any UN resolution aimed for the same purpose...
quote " the United States will take every measure necessary to defend our people." it's interesting.. i guess this is supposed to include all of israel, lol...
i appreciate the sober commentators within israel who realize this can't go on and are looking for a way to end it... i hope these voices become louder and eventually dominate israels position in the coming months and years... i am very unsure if it is possible, but it is the only hope for israel at this point... make peace with those you've displaced or murdered... if you don't now, it will never happen and israel will cease to exist, except as a memory of a failed experiment thanks the uk and usa historically and all those who curried favour in the halls of power the past 100 years.. zionism is a fanatical ideology that has only brought pain and suffering to those who still practice judaism..
As in Ukraine with Zelesnky, the only solution I see in Israel is a coup against Netanyahu and his Zionist government.
i think something bigger actually has to happen.. replacing one fanatical israel gov't with another one won't work... at this point the fundamentalists in israel are gaining more and more power - not less... so the direction looks all wrong to me here.. again - netanyahu goes but someone will replace him who is just as bad or worse..
That's why I am saying that the Zionists must be kicked out, not just Netanyahu.
okay and how is that going to happen?? definitely not going to happen politically in the near future.. lets wait for richard to chime in, lol..
He, he! If the situation gets bad enough (and it is getting worse every day), something may finally happen, maybe even a military coup... who knows?!
I've read that while the military has influence in Israel, there has never been and can't be a military coup. For some reason, that's not how Israeli society works. I don't know why, it's just what I've read.
I would also point out that the neocons in Washington probably won't allow it. If they tell any military coup perpetrators that they're not going to get a dime more military support from the US, the coup plotters will back down fast. There is no Israeli military without Washington.
There is a deep hatred of Iran stemming at in large part from the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Propagandists are focusing on creating the false narrative of protecting Israel democracy from the mad terrorists mullahs and playing the false role of diplomacy all awhile forcing Irans hand to war. These western secretive entities have every intention in destroying Iran once and for all. Nothing short of a direct US-IRAN conflict will stop this ongoing madness. IMO. No doubt in my mind Iran understands this well.
an interesting observation that jeffrey sachs makes in this video from cambridge union which i recommend, highlights how it was in fact netanyahu who was pushing for the war on iraq back in 2002! so, i hear you and we have been down this road before... and yes, i am quite sure iran, along with a number of other countries understand this very well too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bl6_MAhg_4
Actually, I recall that it was Israel who was pushing for war with IRAN back in 2002. They only came on board with a war with Iraq when the neocons told them that Iran would be NEXT. This is from Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett, who were working in the Bush administration at the time. So Sachs had it wrong (again.)
it is possible sachs is lying, his memory is faulty or he misunderstood... but that is what he says in this video 2024... it could also be netanyahu was in on pushing for war against both countries too...
It is quite obvious that it is the "system", the Zionist dystopia that is rotten, nonsense and a nightmare introduced into this region by the Empire. The solution obviously does not lie in changing its leaders, who have succeeded one another at the head of this rump state, and, indeed, nothing says that B. Netanyahu's successor will not be even worse than him. No, the only thing that could save Israel from itself would be to renounce its project of a greater Israel and accept the creation of a Palestinian state alongside it. Otherwise? Israel is doomed to its disintegration and self-destruction, in the more or less long term...
fully concur... but it doesn't appear an option for many in israel including the leadership at present.. not sure how we get to where we need to get to here..
The deadening claustrophobia is visible on their faces now; it’s beyond panic. They are distraught, a condition in which mistakes are made...💀
well they have already been making a lot of mistakes.. maybe they are coming to the realization they can't continue in this direction.. would be nice..
So it is now clear even to the Israelis that Netenyahu never had any intention on deescalating not accepting any release of the hostages . He again is showing that he would rather they die and the children conscripted into the IDF (and possibly US and UK service personnel who thanks to our despicable governments may be deployed to support this monster), thrown into the meat grinder of this war. Not war of Israeli self defence but a massacre and genocide of “keeping Bibi out of prison”. How many thousands have been brutally slaughtered and tortured to keep this one man from facing justice. We have been saying all along, there have been multiple opportunities to secure the release of the Israeli prisoners of war but he doesn’t want that, the IDF want them dead so they can use their deaths to justify more war crimes. That’s why an estimated 40% of them have been killed by Israel strikes on areas they have had intelligence that those prisoners of war may be.
I hope the release of “hostages “ will include the thousands of Palestinian civilians including children who are being raped and tortured in illegal confinement by Israel. But I doubt it. I wish i believed a ceasefire would not be a pause before finding another excuse for more genocide to secure the oil rich land. I wish it meant the end of apartheid and return of stolen land and aid and food finally being allowed through. I wish it meant Isreal finally facing sanctions, it’s leaders in prison for war crimes and permanent peace keepers on the borders preventing any further illegal expansion.
It won’t though.
Sad that on the eve of an election that could put a dangerous and deranged dictator in power in the USA, Biden chooses to deploy more support for colonialism, settler theft, genocide and apartheid…making a it impossible for anyone with a conscience to support their open warmongering and blatant disregard for peace, stability and international law.
They clearly think they can so what their want as they have already won. Sadly giving them a landslide will mean nothing will stop them playing the protector for the terrorist state of Israel. Our children will be next in the meat grinder to save this criminal.